Directing Westworld Season 3 Episode 4, titled “The Mother of Exiles,” would be a significant challenge for any filmmaker. It not only re-introduces a key character for the first time this season in a severely damaged mental state.

Now imagine this is the first episode of television you’ve ever directed, and you’ll start to get a sense of how Paul Cameron was feeling when he took the helm of this episode.

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Cameron has a history with Westworld. He’s a veteran cinematographer having shot films that range from Collateral to Man on Fire to Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales, and he’s who Westworld co-creator Jonathan Nolan turned to when he was searching for a DP for the show’s pilot (which Nolan directed).

When Cameron was asked to shoot the Season 3 premiere, Nolan and co-showrunner Lisa Joy also told him they’d like him to direct an episode this season. Little did he know it’d turn out to be one of the show’s most complicated episodes yet.

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I recently had the chance to speak with Cameron over the phone about his work on the series, and while you can read the first portion of our interview right here—in which we discuss his work as a DP on the show and crafting the visual language for Season 3—now is when I get to share what he had to say about directing Episode 4.